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Sonic Boom

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A new game (and cartoon series), now with weird character designs! Well, at least in the case of Knuckles.

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Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTP-JbDBSCw





And a bunch of info and images here: http://blogs.sega.com/2014/02/06/sega-la...onic-boom/

New developers, not replacing the current 'modern sonic' too but rather a side project. Game is to be on the 3DS and Wii U it seems.

Thoughts on this new development? I suppose this was the third game they mentioned for Sonic...
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#2
Here's Sonic in a nutshell:
Five over rated but fun games that are often clung to by fanboys as the only decent games in their beloved franchise.
Varoius attempts at recreation, with Sonic Colours being the only non terrible one.
People stop liking Sonic for the games and start liking the franchise for, well, other reasons... I mean I'm not one to judge, but when people like a series about hedgehogs, foxes, echidnas, and bats for sexual purposes rather than the games, well, that says something about the quality of your games!
Overall, I just really hate the Sonic franchise as a whole. The 2D and Adventures games can be fun, but one of the things that makes me the most angry is whe people say Sonic is Mario or Megaman's rival! Seriously, Mario Galaxy came out around the same time as Sonic 06. Tell me which one you like better.
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Wel, that's because Sonic was Mario's rival - they were mascots for whole systems. Sega ultimately went down with that, but they've always since then had some sort of rivalry status, further continued by the Sonic & Mario @ Olympic Games series. Where they are also set up as rivalling characters.

I'd also argue that Generations was decent, idk about Lost World which I haven't played myself yet (heard mixed things about it).
Quote:I mean I'm not one to judge, but when people like a series about hedgehogs, foxes, echidnas, and bats for sexual purposes rather than the games, well, that says something about the quality of your games! People stop liking Sonic for the games and start liking the franchise for, well, other reasons...
When you see people like that maybe you're in the wrong part of the internet? =p I mean, people also sexualise Pokémon characters, and while overall Sonic is known to be one of the worse franchises with its fandom, it's certainly not the case for all the fans nor an accurate representation of the franchise. It had its bad days, but has been decent of late. And I for one still like the franchise for the games.

Not that it means this new game will be good, but time will tell on that. But bringing in statements like that does come off as kinda rude, Richard. =/
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I dunno, I'm skeptical of all new Sonic games as a rule, but at least the art direction is interesting. Reminds me a bit of Ratchet and Clank. The fact that it's built on CryEngine 3 is pretty cool too: good news for the future of the Wii U. It could use all the support it can get right now.
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#5
I don't play Sonic games anymore, but another site I frequent is raging over this. Apparently the new Knuckles design isn't going over very well. It looks a bit odd to me as well, but I guess it kind of fits with Knuckles being the muscle of the group, kind of like Crunch Bandicoot and Bowser.

I haven't noticed the sonic fandom to be a particularly bad one. I could think of a few that are worse. What makes them so bad? Richard, just like what Bobandbill said, if you say the sexual parts, then you might be on the wrong side of the internet. :P
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(7th Feb 2014, 07:58 PM)Slayr231 Wrote: I haven't noticed the sonic fandom to be a particularly bad one. I could think of a few that are worse. What makes them so bad?

Oh, wow. In my experience, the Sonic fandom is the single most awful fandom in the entirety of the internet. It's full of people with a fanatic obsession to the series and the characters to such a degree that it's comparable to the Twilight fandom - but the Twilight fandom was born, lived its course, and has now almost disappeared into the depths of the internet, whereas the Sonic fandom has been going strong for years and years and years.

The Sonic fandom is also absolutely littered with complete Mary Sue OC's all across the board - it's even worse than the Harry Potter fandom here, and the Pokémon fandom has nothing on it when it comes to this. I mean, there's at least three separate character makers for Sonic that I know of, so that you can make icons and pictures of your new OC without going through the trouble of actually drawing anything. Sonic OC's are so numerous and so widespread that a search for "Sonic" on any given art site is likely to return a significant number of them - sometimes even more hits for OC's than for the actual characters. And these are generally the "kick one existing character out and replace it with an OC that looks different but behaves exactly the same as the removed canon character", ESPECIALLY in the case of female OC's replacing Amy.

Then you've got the rampant sexualization, that, while probably relatively marginal within the fandom itself, makes those aforementioned image searches a huge liability. Unless you want your (or your child's) retinas to be forever scarred by Sonic porn, you really should not just idly google Sonic pictures and expect it to be fine. The MLP fandom has gotten like that, too, as have many other fandoms, but I think the Sonic fandom was one of the first ones to take childlike cartoon characters and invade the internet with sexual pictures of them. Hence why the fandom has such a bad rep with that.

The fandom is also full of insufferable whiners. I get it, of course: they had awesome games, and now the games in their franchise are crap. There would be some level of bitterness, and a significant amount of complaining about those games. But when you buy games you KNOW to be bad just because they are a part of a franchise you once liked, and then flood the internet with a running commentary of how bad it is while playing it, you've probably got some issues... Probably. I mean, I don't know. I read bad books for fun sometimes, so I guess you could play bad video games for fun as well. It just doesn't sound like they're having fun, you know?

So, in short, the Sonic fandom is widely known for being a pretty dang awful fandom, and from what I've seen on Sonic fansites and forums, they more or less deserve that reputation. This isn't to say that all Sonic fans are lunatics, or something. A good friend of mine is still a fan of Sonic (like, has-Sonic-figurines-and-even-owns-some-of-the-newer-games kinda fan), and he hates the fandom, too.

But anyway, to return to the topic at hand...

The redesign of Knuckles makes sense to me, and it sort of adds a bit of variety in terms of what everyone looks like, so that's cool. It's interesting to note that he instantly looks stupider. Like, he's brawny, so some part of me subconsciously assumes he is also more stupid now. Prejudiced much?

I think there's hope yet for Sonic games. I mean, Mega Man went basically down the crapper until the Mega Man X series, from what I understand. So I see no reason why the Sonic franchise couldn't re-invent itself and make a comeback with a brand new and awesome game. So, if there's redesigns... maybe there's a glimmer of hope there?
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Quote:The Sonic fandom is also absolutely littered with complete Mary Sue OC's all across the board - it's even worse than the Harry Potter fandom here, and the Pokémon fandom has nothing on it when it comes to this. I mean, there's at least three separate character makers for Sonic that I know of, so that you can make icons and pictures of your new OC without going through the trouble of actually drawing anything. Sonic OC's are so numerous and so widespread that a search for "Sonic" on any given art site is likely to return a significant number of them - sometimes even more hits for OC's than for the actual characters. And these are generally the "kick one existing character out and replace it with an OC that looks different but behaves exactly the same as the removed canon character", ESPECIALLY in the case of female OC's replacing Amy.
Or to sum up the above: people make up a lot of their 'Original the Character, do not steal!' with sonic. That's the joke term for it.

Quote:The fandom is also full of insufferable whiners. I get it, of course: they had awesome games, and now the games in their franchise are crap. There would be some level of bitterness, and a significant amount of complaining about those games. But when you buy games you KNOW to be bad just because they are a part of a franchise you once liked, and then flood the internet with a running commentary of how bad it is while playing it, you've probably got some issues... Probably. I mean, I don't know. I read bad books for fun sometimes, so I guess you could play bad video games for fun as well. It just doesn't sound like they're having fun, you know?
Not so sure about that. Yes, the fandom is whiny about games even when they are good overall, but this wasn't helped during the bad says (basically Heroes and onwards ignoring the one light called Sonic Rush, until Colours) where the games went through what was coined the Sonic cycle. Here's an image summing it up. Yes, a reason why the fanbase keep making their own Original the Characters? Well, Sonic Team kept on making their own ones as well! A variation of problems with those games also include silly gimmicks like the 'werehog thing' (funnily enough, that game is regarded as half-good, that part being the non-werehog stages). (And overall I don't think the games in that period ever did very well either).

Add onto that Shadow's own game (a mess and basically his inclusions since SA2:B made a hot mass of the game's own canon), Sonic 06 (a game rushed out despite not being finished!), and it was pretty bad times. Colours broke that cycle though. No new main characters, just back to a small cast with a mixture of the good gameplays from older games, and the gimmicks didn't overtake that. Generations is decent too, and Lost World is a mixed bag depending who you talk to, but generally I'd say that for the moment Sonic is out of the cycle (unlike Megaman - that problem is because of Capcom refusing to make new games for it, to the point where the creator jumps ship and makes his own spiritual successor (Mighty No.9).) Doesn't mean this game will be good, of course, haha.

As for the last part (people yelling how bad it is), I think it's just a case of people going for a notorious example of a big-name, bad-game (Sonic 06) for LPs. Much like how everyone and their dog does LPs of regular Pokémon games doing the same old (regular play or nuzlocke play) - the problem is that if you don't do it well or present something new, it's going to get boring pretty fast if someone's already seen it.

But yes, this:
Quote:So, in short, the Sonic fandom is widely known for being a pretty dang awful fandom, and from what I've seen on Sonic fansites and forums, they more or less deserve that reputation. This isn't to say that all Sonic fans are lunatics, or something. A good friend of mine is still a fan of Sonic (like, has-Sonic-figurines-and-even-owns-some-of-the-newer-games kinda fan), and he hates the fandom, too.
holds true. Sonic is known for being a generally bad fandom, and there's certainly a fair bit of truth in that. There are good parts though (e.g. the hacking community for Sonic? It's pretty darn good in doing that).

Quote:The redesign of Knuckles makes sense to me, and it sort of adds a bit of variety in terms of what everyone looks like, so that's cool. It's interesting to note that he instantly looks stupider. Like, he's brawny, so some part of me subconsciously assumes he is also more stupid now. Prejudiced much?
To be fair, he kinda is a dumb character imo. He's done dumb things in the games at any rate, and is a brawny sort of guy.
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I think one of the things about the Sonic franchise is that it's never really controlled well in 3D. It's hard to blend 3D and insanely fast speeds to the degree you'd see in a side-scroller, and speed is what Sonic was originally all about. Controlling that many dimensions at once just never worked for me personally. It was either like steering a bullet, in which you don't have nearly enough reaction time, or it just didn't feel fast. Sure they tried to compensate for it by adding the homing attack so you could kill enemies or home in on spring pads, but that's always felt super lazy to me. Worse than that, the homing attack has been added to the newer side-scrolling games for basically no reason. In that same vein, there's this whole "speed on rails" mechanic in most of the 3D games. You get to some insane obstacle, and then have the pleasure of sitting back and watching as Sonic just runs through everything on his own. Bleah.

In short, yeah, I'm one of the whiners. It's never made sense to me why the franchise was taken to 3D when that never really added anything, and is harmful more often than not. But seeing as Colors received such good reviews, maybe I'll give it a shot.
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Each to their own (I recall discussing that with you ages back Latios, haha) in regards to 2D/3D. I like (some) 3D games, although I would agree that if it's too much 'hold one direction and watch him go' then it gets a bit boring.

Colours has both the 3D and side-scrolling aspects to it, and a fair bit of tricky platforming too, have to say.
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Hey, Anni...
*Mario high five*
The thing that steams me up the most is Sonic being compared to Mario. Sonic has three undebatably good games, mixed reactions on the Sonic Adventure series, generally decent reception to Generations and Colours, and Lost World has mixed reactions, while everything else has been awful. Mario, on the other hand, is gaming's #1 icon (except perhaps Pikachu). He's brought gaming forward huge steps not once, but twice (bringing games from arcade style single screen affairs to completable experiences with the original Super Mario Bros, and bringing games from side scrollers to 3D adventures with Mario 64), and almost every Mario game is generally accepted as excellent! Even the New Super Mario series, usually seen as Mario's worst games, is better than the first three Sonic games! The Mario RPGs are some of the best games ever made, and Super Mario World (also Galaxy 1 and 2, Mario 64, Mario 3, etc, etc) usually makes any top 10 video game list any website makes.
To sum up:
Sonic: Decent, a short lived fad
Mario: Legendary, we wouldn't have games now if not for him.
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#11
Okay, I now know why the Sonic Fandom is seen that way. Now that was one heck of an explanation! :P

I've stopped playing Sonic games a long time ago and never really got into the franchise in the first place, so I probably won't pick up Boom.
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